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    We'll see what happens when the vote happens, or doesn't.
    Either way, to think that the R's could do this fast is laughable.
    There is a reason it Obamacare took so long, cause it is complicated and messy.

    Also, I've been away for a few days.
    I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
    I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptown_trojans_1 View Post
    Also, I've been away for a few days.
    I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
    I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
    There would be idiots complaining about it either way, just like the vacation expenses run up by the president from the other side. It's beneath actual grownups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptown_trojans_1 View Post
    We'll see what happens when the vote happens, or doesn't.
    Either way, to think that the R's could do this fast is laughable.
    There is a reason it Obamacare took so long, cause it is complicated and messy.

    Also, I've been away for a few days.
    I noticed the news that Ivanka will have an office in the West Wing. Just a question, we all cool with that?
    I would think that if Chelsea would have an office in Hillary's West Wing, there would be outrage.
    It's a horrible alternative. "If" they vote I hope it fails and the current Affordable Care Act continues to live out to it's gruesome death.

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    I believe the real fuel to this effort is tax reform. I think the Pubs will struggle with tax reform with this mandate hanging over their heads.

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    @*RyanLizza Nunes essentially blew up the investigation because he realized the scope of what he negotiated with Schiff could actually threaten Trump.



    Nunes is the head of House committee investing Trump-Russia ties, he also happened to have been on Trump's transition team...pure corruption.

    I'm more than 50% sure this is the biggest political scandal in American History but much less than 50% that it'll actually get punished.

    This admin has so many fuck-ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuakerOats View Post
    Obviously it will implode --- Marxism never works.
    Said unironically as his party's leaders desperstely try to pass Obamacare lite.

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    Embarrassing that they had 7 years to get something done and it fails to even make it out of the house. What a failure. What will happen is Obamacare will stay and fail just in time for the Dems to regain control and pass Single Payer.

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    I believe there's a vote scheduled for today at 3:30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves of Babylon View Post
    Embarrassing that they had 7 years to get something done and it fails to even make it out of the house. What a failure. What will happen is Obamacare will stay and fail just in time for the Dems to regain control and pass Single Payer.

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    Don't worry - Obamacare isn't going to fail and,we will never have single payer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoatShoes View Post
    Don't worry - Obamacare isn't going to fail and,we will never have single payer.
    Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by queencitybuckeye View Post
    Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?
    ACA is full of problems, but prices were increasing before it was implemented...
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    And then prices increased at much faster rates, despite the promise of lower costs -- $2,500 as I recall. And on top of that, deductibles went through the roof, so now you have a plan that you cannot afford, and cannot afford to use. And on top of that, your choices were reduced. It is nothing more than forced redistribution wrought upon The People by radical leftists, socialists and Marxists. Kill it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptown_trojans_1 View Post
    ACA is full of problems, but prices were increasing before it was implemented...
    Some of the reported increases I've read for those on the plan are higher annually than my increases over more than a decade. Certainly not sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuakerOats View Post
    And then prices increased at much faster rates, despite the promise of lower costs -- $2,500 as I recall. And on top of that, deductibles went through the roof, so now you have a plan that you cannot afford, and cannot afford to use. And on top of that, your choices were reduced. It is nothing more than forced redistribution wrought upon The People by radical leftists, socialists and Marxists. Kill it!
    Again, ACA sucks, but just removing it will not stop the rise of health insurance. It's a little more complicated than just saying repeal and everything will be fine!
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    If government would get the hell out of the way and allow supply and demand to work we would be far, far better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuakerOats View Post
    If government would get the hell out of the way and allow supply and demand to work we would be far, far better off.
    In theory yes, but practice, I doubt it.
    If I am an insurance company, why the hell would I want to cover someone who smokes, has a history of cancer in the family, in a coal mining area, and barely makes any money? Why would I take that risk? I would not want to cover them, or if I am going to, set the deductible so high it makes it not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptown_trojans_1 View Post
    In theory yes, but practice, I doubt it.
    If I am an insurance company, why the hell would I want to cover someone who smokes, has a history of cancer in the family, in a coal mining area, and barely makes any money? Why would I take that risk. I would not want to cover them, or if I am going to, set the deductible so high it makes it not worth it?
    Why should anyone be forced to? I'm sympathetic, but how does that justify coercion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by queencitybuckeye View Post
    Why should anyone be forced to? I'm sympathetic, but how does that justify coercion?
    Yeah, that's the hard part to square. How do you ensure that people can pay for healthcare, yet balance individual freedom?
    I don't know the answer, but do know the ACA and the ACHA do not even come close to addressing the core problem. Also, the free market will not address it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queencitybuckeye View Post
    Define fail. Is there reason to believe that the massive price increases were a blip and not a continuing issue?
    Well they mean fail by insurance death spiral which isn't going to.

    In the wake of the failure to repeal Obamacare, if the rest of the states take the medicaid money and pull more sick people out of the marketplace pools this should cause prices to stabilize.

    So while you might think 24 million people getting health insurance with the cost of higher premiums for the healthy is failure - that is not what people mean when they say that Obamacare is going to implode IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queencitybuckeye View Post
    Why should anyone be forced to? I'm sympathetic, but how does that justify coercion?
    Jonathan Gruber compares it to eliminating descrimination in other markets.

    For example, the Civil Rights Act imposes coercion. Why should hotel owners be forced to accommodate black people? The theory is that this coercion ultimately results in greater liberty as black folks were not in effect able to secure and enjoy the blessings of liberty.

    In insurance markets, prior to the ACA the argument was that millions didnt really enjoy the blessings of liberty.

    Forcing hotels to accommodate blacks will increase demand for hotel rooms without an increase in supply and theoretically raise prices for whites which will harm whites.

    Allowing sick people into the insurance market by requiring guaranteed issue will raise prices for the healthier people that were already in.

    But access to the market for all without unjust discrimination may make us all more free in the aggreggate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptown_trojans_1 View Post
    If I am an insurance company, why the hell would I want to cover someone who smokes, has a history of cancer in the family, in a coal mining area, and barely makes any money?.
    You can insure just about anything if you agree on the right price. It's quite simple - the insurance company will insure you if the expected payouts and administration costs equal the expected premiums collected. But if you have an 80% chance of $250k+ in medical costs, you're probably rolling the dice and not paying $200k in premiums.

    I realize that doesn't sound like an evil, greedy corporatist scheme, but it's how the world actually works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoatShoes View Post
    But access to the market for all without unjust discrimination may make us all more free in the aggreggate?
    Sure, because bigger government and higher taxes is always an indicator of greater freedom.

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